Creepy, destabilizing narcissistic parent abuse we don't discuss enough

Hello my friends. In my path to heal childhood trauma from narcissistic parent abuse I'm going to explore creepy, destabilizing narcissistic parent abuse we don't discuss enough. I so appreciate the YouTube vloggers like Jerry Wise, Dr. Ramani, Patrick Teahan and Danish Bashir who aren't afraid to call this abuse what it is. 

Parent enmeshment

An enmeshed parent is one who crashes boundaries and blurs the lines of demarcation between herself and her child. Pretty much all narcissistic parents are also enmeshed in their kids. 

• possessive
• sees the child as extension of herself, like an arm
• adopts awkward, fake childish personas, says she's 
• one of the gang 
• more like sister than parent
• "just a big kid"
• thinks child should include her in everything 
• humiliates child (my mom told everyone when I began growing pubic hair)
• bitterly jealous of anyone else
• clingy, needy, emotional vampire
• attention-seeking, pity party thrower
• uses child as therapist, partner
• drama mama
• has few friends 

"An enmeshed narcissistic parent is the OG 'smother mother.'"

Controlling, Haughty and Intrusiveness

This is the arrogant, entitled, remorseless part of the enmeshed narcissistic parent 

• sees child as property
• thinks he has proprietary rights over child
• thinks she has buy in or veto power
• butts into private conversations
• bossy
• boundary crashing (my dad used to come right into the bathroom when I was using it)
• controls things she has no right to (think Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar)
• gives unsolicited advice 
• thinks she knows everything
• feels entitled to a say on things that aren't her business
• expects to be consulted 
• hijacks autonomy

Infantilizes, parentifies and spousifies

• overprotective in public, neglectful in private
• hovers, keeps too close tabs on child
• leverages normal things like basic care to guilt child
• treats child more like partner than partner
• gaslights child that he's too feeble to think for himself
• won't let child do things other kids do 
• says it's for his own good when its for hers
• has inappropriate age relationships
• flirts with child, wants to "cuddle" teen
• exclusive with (golden) or excludes(scapegoat)

Underhanded and devious

This is the manifestation of the sneaky deceit, greed plus pathological jealousy of enmeshed narcissists

• snoops, is nosy
• goes through child's possessions ( I caught my mother rifling through  my purse). 
• finds reasons to enter child's room without permission
• eavesdrops
• interrogates
• monitors phone
• puts tracker on kids
• trespasses on privacy (my mother barged into my husband's and my bedroom one morning)
• neurotic and paranoid
• often steals from child
• lies to and about child

Generally weird behavior of narcissist parents

• whispers, talks behind hand to child in front of others
• makes child keep secrets 
• tells child's secrets 
• makes holy day obligation about her birthday
• pouts and sulks 
• gossips, starts and spreads rumors
• loudly interrupts in gatherings
• embarrasses child at special events for attention
• calls attention to herself in odd ways
• talks about private parts 
• has inordinate obsession with being "mother" as if she's the only one
• dominates at gatherings
• must be soothed, humored and also admired 

Expanded examples of creepy behavior 
 

• The "Shadow" Presence: They follow the child around the room, standing just a bit too close, effectively preventing any private or independent conversation with other guests.

• The "Upstaging Reset": If the attention shifts to someone else’s achievement, they suddenly have a physical ailment or a "crisis" that requires everyone to stop and tend to them. They start a fight or cry loudly. 

• The "Revival preacher" move: My mother is known for shouting "AMEN!" or "HALLELUJAH" at sedate church gatherings, family events and even funerals! While she frames it as religious fervor, it’s a calculated disruption that makes her appear "holier" than everyone else while centering the room's attention on her.

• Inappropriate "Over-Sharing": They bring up deeply personal or embarrassing childhood stories as a way to "re-infantilize" you in front of your peers or spouse. She says "it's okay, I'm your mother." (it's not). 

• The Seductive attention grab: My mom describes her inappropriate intimate details and genital ailments at every family gathering, especially to men. It serves to anger her husband, embarrass her son-in-law and grandkids and make me feel foolish. This is triangulation (pitting people against each other) and emotional grooming, weaponizing private things for shock value, so everyone's kept off balance.  

• The "Micro-Manager" Guest: Even if it’s not their home, they start directing traffic, telling people where to sit, or critiquing the host’s food to establish themselves as the "authority" in the room. My mother-in-law would make rude comments about my cooking, my weight or my hair. She would make her son "choose" between desserts I'd made and she'd made to prove his loyalty. 

• The "Costume Clown Control": My mother wears what are obviously nightgowns in public, to her great-granddaughter's baptism, to church and extended family events. Other narcissistic parents have worn wedding dresses to their kids' weddings. This gets narcissistic supply in several ways.  

  

  
  

• • The "Main Character" Syndrome: By wearing a nightgown, she ensures that the conversation focuses on her not the event or the child. If she can't be the hottest, she'll be the most pathetic. 

  • Weaponized Incompetence: If called out, she can crybully and play the "vulnerable" card or act like she’s being bullied for her style, when in reality, it’s passive-aggressive and calculated move to keep everyone on edge.

  • Social Sabotage: It creates a sense of "second-hand embarrassment" for the family, who is made to feel somehow responsible, which is a powerful way for a narcissist to maintain control over you. 

Ready to dive deeper? If these examples resonated with you, I highly recommend checking out these experts who specialize in narcissistic enmeshment and recovery:

• • Dr. Ramani Durvasula: The gold standard for understanding narcissistic personality types.

  • Patrick Teahan, LICSW: Incredible for seeing "role-play" examples of how to set boundaries with toxic parents.

  • Jerry Wise Relationship Systems: Deep dives into family systems and how to "self-differentiate" from an enmeshed family.

  • Danish Bashir: Offers very practical, direct advice on the "no contact" or "low contact" journey.

   

  Note: This post is based on personal experience and research into narcissistic dynamics. I am a writer and educator, not a licensed therapist. If you are in a crisis or need professional guidance, please reach out to a mental health professional.

   

 

Worst part for women with childhood trauma from narcissistic parent abuse

 Hello my friends. Today on the path to healing childhood trauma from narcissistic parent abuse, I'm reflecting on a post by YouTube trauma recovery specialist Jerry Wise. He just spoke right to my heart, addressing the unique challenges for women who suffered at the hands of  narcissistic parents. I'm living that struggle and here are some of the most difficult parts of healing. 

Society normalizes subjugation and domestication of girls like pack animals

As kids, us daughters of narcissistic parents, who are now in our 50s, 60s and up, got the lion's share of the trauma. Everywhere, the world was oriented toward subjugating women in the caregiver, nurturer, doer, servant role. Many of us were parenting our parents and their other children when we were kids ourselves. This parentification left of with gaping holes in our self-care skills and far too much FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) that was never ours. But no one called it abuse. It was just what a good girl did. And then if you, like me had narcissistic parents who divorced and married other narcissists (funny how like attracts like), you were inundated with demands. 

Chore differential in boys and girls

I was doing adult heavy housework before puberty. I used to think I just had a lot of chores. Now I see that I did all the chores while my parents and stepparents laid around. Literally. I did everything my stepmother didn't want to do, which was everything. I was supporting my mom's new family. And I raised their kids while doing it, including co-sleeping with their babies and getting up at night with them. On top of schoolwork. And none of the kids did anything. Even in normal homes, girls were the ones who set the table, prepared and served meals, cleared the table, did the dishes, swept and tidied up. While the son took out one measly bag of trash. I did all that plus I ironed, folded clothes, washed windows, mopped the floor on my hands and knees, cleaned the bathroom, vacuumed, dusted, made lunches for everyone, hung the clothes on the line (in winter, I had to scale snowbanks), put the clothes away, changed diapers, babysat for free. While my dad's sons mowed the lawn badly once in awhile. And took turns with that one task. 

Girls had to juggle it all

On top of all those chores, I kept up with my schoolwork while my brothers slacked off. Sometimes I'd be up till 10 finishing homework because I had so many other duties and those had to come first. I started in right after school and was still finishing up when everyone was parked in front of the TV. Then I was back up at 5. I why it was so crucial I mop twice a week. My parents never cleaned. And they didn't provide resources that they'd surely have had if it was them doing it. And girls did better in school than boys despite being considered only fit for caregiving jobs. Because boys had the luxury of refusing to do homework, whining how boring it was, being the class ass, while girls had to be good do-bees, knuckle under and smile benevolently at those rascally boys. 

Boys will be boys but girls must be women

Bad behavior was expected of men, because "boys will be boys." But we girls had to be mature, functional adults when we were only kids. We had to be demur, "ladylike" polite, mannerly, sedate, quiet, small, biddable, obedient, respectful. Boys could be and were rude, noisy, rowdy, trouble-makers, hell-raisers, delinquents, dropouts. While girls must get a good education they could never use. They must let boys get aways with murder while parents smiled fondly. We carried the can and did all the  heavy lifting so they could do as they wanted. 

Our Lady of Perpetual Help

I am very empathetic, too empathetic and yes, that's a thing. You can care too much about others and not enough about yourself. And I wouldn't be so obsessively empathetic if I hadn't be indoctrinated to. I was expected to endure teasing, ridicule, sexual harassment, public humiliation, attacks, ambushes, being pilloried, all with patient saintly smile. By narcissistic adults who acted like spoiled brats. I was expected to nurture like some kind of mother goddess when I was just a child. My siblings used and abused their elders and I cleaned up after them. I did their work for them. 

Careers and hobbies were separate and unequal

Even the jobs we were pushed into were the menial chore type that boys considered beneath them. We were the assistants, secretaries, nurses, waitresses, babysitters. We carried the mental load so they could hang out and drink beer. They grilled the burgers while we prepared, served, organized and cleaned up everything else. And kept the children occupied too. Men still do the easy once a week yard work while we carry all the daily. Boys made models, we did simulated chores and played baby dolls. 

Not exaggerating but wish I was

I wish this was just me being oversensitive, like my dad said I was. Truth is, life for me and many girls I knew, was all this and worse. I knew of several girls who purposely got pregnant just to get out of the house and have their own baby to take care of instead of having to take care of everyone else's. We should have been the ones BEING taken care of as kids. Instead our childhood's were hijacked. We were coerced into adult roles before we even got our periods. 

Thank you to the men who get it

I am not saying boys didn't have their own struggles. I know, I'm a mom of sons. But when I was young, it was very out of balance. And I so appreciate Jerry Wise getting articulating this. My husband and sons get it too. But sadly, all too often you hear from proponents of a certain political party in red hats that we're just "playing the woman card." Or that we're crybullies. That feminism is some kind of disease. There wouldn't be feminists if we'd been treated fairly. And buddy, you have clue about how unfair it was. You were the one screwing around throwing spitballs in class while I was trying to stay awake and pay attention. You were the one watching cartoons while I did the housework. You were the one heckling me for being "straight-laced." You had no idea what my life was like. So don't play that Trump card with me. 

And the worst part was that it was all just normal and expected. It took me till 61 to see that it was abuse. 

Boundary setting is risky for children of abusive narcissistic parents

Hello my friends. Today I'm taking a "part two" look at why advice to set boundaries doesn't work with narcissists. I'm exploring how it's actually risky, especially for children of abusive narcissistic parents. And maybe even everyone. I'll explore how boundary setting is a flawed, contradiction in terms. 

Boundary setting advice is trite and pointless

So you're in therapy and you tell some outrageous behavior your parent did. And what's the first thing she pops out with? "You need to set boundaries." (often said in a smarmy "duh" way). They often say this in such a way that assumes you are failing to set boundaries. So victim shaming. And they also say it like you know how to do it, you're just choosing not to. But they don't even know what boundaries look like with normal people, let alone with narcissists or (heaven help us) narcissistic parents. 

What does boundary setting mean?

They can't tell you, these advice-givers. Because the definitions are vague at best. I kind of broke AI when I asked her to explain how to set boundaries with narcissistic parents. She kept looping back to base. She was not programmed to give details, just repeat cliches. And that's because real-life folks can't either. 

Boundary setting is placeholder advice

It's what people say when they don't know what else to say but want to dispense advice. It's a mild form of toxic positivity. And also gaslighting because it denies the reality of boundary setting as complicated, situational, user-defined, fluid and very often downright impossible or counterintuitive. 

Who sets and who observes the boundaries?

Here's where it gets really Star Trekkie. The idea is that you define for yourself what you will and won't put up with. Then you determine what you will do if you are forced to. Then you communicate it. You don't broadcast it. You just tell the affected parties. You don't tell others what to do only what you will do if they violate your boundaries. Which assumes they will because why else would you be telling them? In which case, plan on having to vigilantly patrol them solo. (exhausted yet, I am!)

Boundary setting is pointless

People who respect you don't need boundaries set around them and people who don't won't respect your boundaries any more than they respect you. For those who do, no explanation is needed, for those who need it, no explanation will do. Setting boundaries around invaders is an exercise in futility and an exhausting, frustrating waste of your bandwidth. 

Note: "You don't build fences unless someone else is trespassing."

Do we really need to have this conversation?

So just as boundary setting defines explanation, it only works in theory. Narcissist DON'T respect you which is why you need to build fences to protect yourself in the first place. And furthermore, the stuff you're erecting boundaries around is just common sense stuff that should be observed in the first place. Do you really need to tell someone that you don't like it when they scream at you, that you won't tolerate it and if they do, you'll have to walk away? 

Is boundary setting just issuing ultimatums? 

Yeah, kind of. You wouldn't need to "set boundaries" if your space wasn't being invaded. You only build fences where someone trespasses. And so it's a bit ridiculous to say that you aren't trying to control someone else's behavior. The entire point of the exercise is to navigate around people and situations that are threatening us. I'm not saying it's wrong to, but let's be honest about why we are. Usually, a selfish, demanding narcissistic person is trampling our rights and we're trying to get them to stop. But then that leads to other problems for us. 

Boundary setting puts all the work on you 

So the narcissist treats you badly. He calls you at all hours and disturbs your sleep. But you can't make him stop. You can only control you. So you put up walls (boundaries) to protect yourself. You say "I won't answer calls after 9 pm. Which he ignore and keeps calling. So you keep amending your behavior in hopes of forcing a change in his. You build taller walls. You turn the phone off. But then you miss calls you need to get.  And he still keeps trampling. And then finally you get tired and give in. You take his calls. And he gets what he wants and his behavior never changes. Because there's a secret flaw with boundaries that no one tells you. 

Communicating boundaries spikes their guns

Setting terms of engagement with a narcissist is like a kitten making a peace treaty with a polar bear. You saying  what you want or don't want just feeds them ammunition to hurt you with. Narcissists see transparency as weakness and boundaries as challenges. The thing you say you don't like is the thing they will go out of their way to do. Don't show your hand. It's not safe. Keep your boundaries if you set them, in your head. Don't warn them. Just do whatever it is you've pre-determined to do with no explanation. Don't JADE (justify, answer back, defend or explain). 

Boundary setting hurts you more than them

Again, not saying we don't need to set them but let's be realistic about how boundaries impact us. We spend all our energy trying to outmaneuver the arrogant boundary crosser. We do all kinds of things to "stay safe" and avoid him. We change things about ourselves that we shouldn't. We give up things we want and need. We leave the house to work at the library which totally disrupts our day. We walk with the kids in the rain to the playground because he's making home a living hell. And our car is down and he won't pay to have it fixed. And we don't get it repaired because we don't want him to punish us through our children. Well sounds to me like what we were already doing for the narcissist and what caused us to have to set the damn boundaries in the first place! It's like the parent who grounds the child and then realizes she just effectively grounded herself. 

And these are only the pitfalls of setting boundaries as an adult. Children have to inkling of how to set them around enmeshed narcissistic parent behavior. Or that they even should or could. We are programmed to only to serve their purposes. We function as possessions. It would never cross out minds to question their boundary crossing, no matter how egregious. Our boundaries would as useful as a paper hat in a nuclear war. 

Why setting boundaries is bad advice to give narcissistic abuse survivors

Hello my friends. Today I was listening to my girl, Dr. Ramani and she addressed the very thing I'd just been wrestling with in my quest to heal childhood trauma from narcissistic parent abuse: why setting boundaries is bad advice to give narcissistic abuse survivors. 

Boundary setting only works with respectful people

You don't have to tell respectful people to respect your space. So advice to set boundaries only works with people who don't need boundaries set with them.  Boundaries with narcissists are about as useful as a parasol in a hurricane. And definitely pointless against narcissistic parent abuse. Narcissistic parents crash boundaries all the time by enmeshing, invading privacy, demanding things they don't deserve, butting in where they don't belong, taking what's not theirs, not observing limits, usurping power, taking advantage, taking without giving, breaking promises, etc. 

Boundary setting with narcissists is a logical fallacy 

Telling someone to just set boundaries with a narcissist is a contradiction in terms. Narcissistic abuse is often the reason the victim needs to set them in the first place. And boundaries aren't things you can tell someone else to respect, certainly not someone who has been consistently ignoring your basic rights to start with. They are borders you place around yourself. But you are the one who has to protect them. And if the person you're setting them with won't observe them, it would be like building a fence of marshmallows around an angry bull. 

Narcissists hold others in contempt

So they also hold your boundaries in contempt as well as your needs, wants, feelings, ideas and self. They are haughty, vain and hypocritical. You can see it in their sneering faces and hear it dripping form their snide, scoffing belittlement. There are two sets of rules for you and them. Narcissistic parents do the very things they punish you for. They invalidate you and mock your principles. They tear you down. So if you set boundaries, they would just dismiss you and laugh in your face. They would take your pretty parasol, smash it and throw the pieces at you. 

Narcissists dictate terms or think they do

Especially narcissistic parents who believe everything their child does must pass the parent's rigorous judgment. The child must endure the parent's scathing criticism and vicious remarks which the parent himself would wither under. But the parent doesn't hold his own actions to account. And woe be to anyone who take HIM to task. So a narcissist will only respect boundaries he deems worthy and since he doesn't deem anyone but himself worthy, he tramples down everyone else. 

Narcissists are crybullies

While insensitively disrespecting everyone else and riding herd over their turf, he is oversensitive around his own fragile ego. He is a crybully who treats people abominably then DARVOs (deny, attack, reverse victim offender) and makes himself out to be the poor, put upon victim. He targets the person he is bullying as bullying him. His narcissistic abuse is a endless vicious loop with someone else always at fault and him the injured party. It is exhausting simply to be in the same house with him, let alone trying to protect yourself. 

Narcissists take boundaries as an insult

Narcissists think they control others. They demand a say in stuff that isn't their business. And enmeshed narcissistic parents take this nuclear. Because they view children as goods and chattel. They don't parent, they possess. The child must do and be whatever the parents says he must do or be with not thought of his own. So if the child, even in adulthood, says no to a narcissistic parent, the parent becomes enraged that his "property" has denied him his "rights." Narcissists tolerate limits being set about as well as they'd accept the car suddenly refusing to transport them. 

Narcissists see your boundaries as a challenge

As well as being arrogant and entitled, narcissists are belligerent, antagonistic and disagreeable trouble-makers. They start problems where none exist. So not only are they unreasonably offended by other people's boundaries, they see them as hurdles to be overcome, fences to be jumped as it were. Whatever you put sanctions on will suddenly become the thing they must have. The thing you ask them not to do will be the very thing they do. Much better advice is give them no feedback to exploit. 

Narcissists exploit your vulnerabilities

They pick at your raw spots until they bleed. They ping exposed nerves. They mock and jibe and say outrageously insulting and contemptuous things. They heckle you about things you are sensitive about. Then gaslight you that you are too sensitive. And it's actually not just things you personally would be sensitive about. Things that would bother anyone and CERTAINLY the narcissist if he was treated this way. They like to rile people and see them unsettled, especially their children. They provoke and provoke until you crack and then shame you for cracking. 

Boundary setting is a contradiction

So the theory behind boundary setting is that you create this invisible wall to protect yourself. You say what you will and won't tolerate and then you enforce boundaries by doing whatever it is you said you will or won't do if the untolerated behavior occurs. Which is all kind of nebulous to start with. And certainly isn't simple and cut and dried. Because you can't tell them what to do, only what you will do if they do it. But the whole reason for setting boundaries is kind to control other people.  Just the term "tolerate" implies intolerable action on someone else's part. But what you end up doing is, still, amending your own behavior to suit them. He goes on a rampage, you leave the house. He still calls the shots. And often you can't even do the thing you need to do to police these mythical boundaries. He's working on your car so you CAN'T leave. You have kids relying on you. What are you supposed to do? Walk everyone to the library in the pouring rain to avoid his rage, just so you can say you enforced your boundaries? (Been there, done that.) 

"You don't build fences unless someone else is trespassing."

Explaining your boundaries will ensure they're violated

You tell the narcissist what your boundaries are and you can be sure he'll sabotage it. You just played right into his hand and fed him the information. And you made more work for yourself. You've put the time into laying out a plan and communicating it and now, after he's made damn sure you can't follow through, will scold you for not keeping your promise. With a narcissist, it's best NOT to show your hand. Just do whatever it is you need to. 

Boundary setting with narcissists is counterproductive

Again, you aren't telling the person you set boundaries with, what to do. You're saying what you'll will do. Which as I explained above is often impossible. But let's take a simpler example: "I don't answer the phone after 8 pm." You're not telling them not to call, you're just sort of hinting that you won't answer. I say hinting because the reason you set the boundary was probably because they called too late. And instead of saying "quit calling" because God forbid we tell someone to knock it off, we have to find a way to sugarcoat it. Because remember, it's all about how you handle it,  never what they do (said sarcastically, that's another piece of tommyrot advice). But it won't matter how backhandedly you say it, they won't respect it anyway.  They will do exactly what you've wishy-washily hinted they not do just to make you break your own boundary. They will keep on calling till you answer the damn phone. 

Boundary setting advice is victim shaming

And bloody patronizing advice at that. It suggests that none of the abuse and violations would occur if victim would just "stand up for herself" or "grow a pair." Which just contradicts the advice because you can't control what someone does. No matter how tall you stand. You cannot make someone stop hurting you. You can only hit them harder or stay out of their way. Setting boundaries they won't respect is just more nonsense homework for the victim and does nothing to address the aggressor. 

Better advice to narcissistic abuse victims

• Say nothing. 
• Don't give yourself away. 
• Stay cool. 
• Grey rock (this is only a temporary fix for bad situations. It won't make them stop and you can't stay a rock forever). 
• Don't share vulnerabilities. 
• Don't ask them to do or not to do something if it's important to you. They'll just do the opposite. 
• Don't tell them how you feel. They don't care and they've proved it. Healthy people don't need to be told something obviously hurtful is hurtful. 
• Find an outlet or hobby to help vent the frustration. 

Narcissism behind momfluencer and Duggar parents

 

Hello my friends. Today I'm working to heal childhood trauma from narcissistic parent abuse by sharing what it's like to live with arrogant, entitled, remorseless, manipulative people. I can't take you back in time, but I can give examples of narcissistic parents in the media who behave like mine did. Not actor portrayals, actual parents like some of the social  media "momfluencers" and reality TV stars Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar. It probably didn't take the "Shiny Happy People" docu for most people to see that the Duggars are very narcissistic, despite Michelle Duggar's famed modesty.  

The celebrity narcissist parent cult

I'm not saying that every parent who has a YouTube channel or vlog is arrogant. But it's kind of hard to find examples who aren't. As well as social media "momfluencers" You could almost say it's a job description for celebrity parents. It comes with the territory. Just the term social media "influencer" or reality TV star screams vanity. You have to have pretty cast iron self-esteem to believe people should listen to or watch you. Or that you even say things worth hearing. I'm not talking here about specific niche parenting influencers  My daughter is a lactation/postpartum consultant who specializes in nutrition for moms. I mean the ones who just riff about whatever they feel like and call it educational.

Narcissist parents exploit kids

You could say that simply putting your child online is child exploitation and you'll get no argument from me. You could say that anyone who shares their every family moment on social media is a narcissist.  Still no argument. The fact that the Duggar family has forced their kids into a reality TV show proves their arrogance to me Narcissists exploit anything and anyone that gets them what they crave: pity, attention, status, narcissistic supply. 

Narcissistic parents exploit their kids suffering

But then there's another level: the exploitative narcissistic parents who exploit their children's suffering for narcissistic supply. The Duggar family is now in it's second generation exploiting kids with Josh Duggar and Joe Duggar. They've put their families through hell that they will never live down, just like Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar put their children through hell that led them to these actions. And the older siblings (except maybe Jana Duggar) are milking the family drama to build their own celebrity status. The whole family makes sure to keep their irrelevant faces in the media. 

Narcissistic parents monetize tragedy 

I'm thinking of  social media influencer Kelly Hopton-Jones who ran her child over and then monetized it in a social media post. What highlights the narcissism isn't the accident. It wasn't the fact that she is a self-styled "momfluencer" although the irony isn't lost. And a valid question has been asked whether she wasn't paying attention because she was posting at the time of the accident. The self-centeredness is shown by the fact that she leveraged of it for attention, pity and funds. The post she wrote was all about her. And the cherry on top was another momfluencer Emilie Kiser, whose child had drowned, chiming in with what she called sympathy. But what looked very much like turning the camera back on herself. So cashing in on  a parent cashing in on her child's injury. 

The "celebrity" addiction

I'm not talking about the addiction we have to following celebrities. I mean the outrageous things people will do to become "celebrities." Including harming your children. I'm not suggesting either Kelly Hopton-Jones or Emilie Kiser did anything intentional. But I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd never heard of either of them until their kids were hurt/killed. And I'm also not saying either of them weren't sad or vulnerable at the time they made the post about it. It's the timing. And the "me, me, me" ness of the post. Quite frankly, it reads like someone who's trying to convince themselves and us they feel guilty. It reads like she is more concerned about how she is perceived than what she actually did. And the subtle yet unmistakable gaslighting. Which is exactly how a narcissist parent operates. 

The gaslighting DARVO tactic

The Duggars play this one to perfection! They DARVO (deny responsibility, accuse and attack, reverse victim and offender). It's the "liberal media's" fault their son molested children. With Hopton-Jones, the gaslighting DARVO is little harder to spot. And it may be a shock or trauma response. She keeps referring to her hitting her son as an accident/mistake. That's the gaslighty part. The fact is that neither parent was paying attention to the child or to the car warning system show and that she apparently didn't even look in the mirror, is more careless than mistake. She keeps saying how if only "things had gone differently." As if this was out of her control. She describes how she feels guilty but shouldn't. Well, that is sort of what you do. You are supposed to feel guilty. It reads more like self-defense than confession. 

Vicious cycle of narcissistic parent abuse, childhood trauma and CPTSD nightmares

Hello my friends. Today in my journey to heal childhood trauma and CPTSD from narcissistic parent abuse, I'm really struggling. I'm exhausted all the time. And I guess it's no wonder. 61years of narcissistic abuse memories live in my trauma brain and haunt my dreams at night. It occurs to me that there is a vicious cycle of narcissistic abuse, childhood trauma and CPTSD nightmares. 

Why breaking the cycle is impossible

It's all well and fine to talk about simply breaking the cycle. But that's easier said than done as I "recycle" the trauma every night. Because childhood trauma is the gift that keeps on giving stress and taking peace of mind. And that stress originated with the chaotic dysfunction of narcissistic parent abuse. Narcissistic parent embed trauma responses in their children from infancy, maybe even from the womb. It doesn't stop in sleep. Trauma nightmares keep replaying the abuse. 

Trauma dreams repeat old and create new from it

My trauma brain has even "synthesized" new abusive situations to dream about. They replicate the old abuse patterns. They also generate version 2.0 trauma from these seemingly actual experiences. Say what you want about dreams not being real, they sure as hell feel that way. So I not only have trauma memories, I have trauma dream memories. And yep, it's all in my head, and I wish it weren't. 

Ignore platitudes from blind guides

This cycle-breaking of which we hear preached by social media influencers, life coaches, even therapists, is all kind of nonsensical to childhood trauma sufferers. These blind guides obviously haven't suffered from narcissistic abuse or they'd know that such platitudinal advice doesn't work.  I'd love to break free from of the memories and dreams, but they won't let ME GO! It would be easier to stop my cat meowing than to get them out of my head. 

So I'm preaching a new way. I'm learning to befriend my dreams and see them as wise teachers. I guess I'm using the Bloom's Taxonomy HOTS (higher order thinking skills) I write about so often on my education blog. I'm working to

• recognize the narcissistic abuse as memory not just dream
• see and hear what my nightmares are trying to show me
• analyze what I can learn from my dreams
• use the nightmare content to process what was done to me
• evaluate whether what I experienced was wrong based on what my dreams show
• apply the lessons to my life now

Example of my trauma nightmares

Here's an example of how I'm doing that from a dream I had the other night. I dreamed I was trying to shovel my grandparents driveway. But I kept  having to shovel other people's drive first. And then I had to rake their leaves because they were everywhere and I couldn't get to the ice below. Then I had to shovel the entire neighborhood, including streets. I had only a child-size rake and two small battered buckets to put all the leaves and snow in. When I finally got to grandparents' house, the street was walled in and ceilinged over with snow. Yet my grandparents' house was clear. I yelled in alarm for them to go inside where it was safe from all the snow. And when I looked around I saw that it was gone. 

They were in the garage with my parents who were the ones forcing me to clear all the snow. They were also making my very elderly grandmother care for their children. I took the baby from grandma because he was too heavy for her. And they had moved a lot of junk into the garage which was making it hard for everyone to get around. My dad snapped at me "what are you doing in here! Get back to work!" When I said there was no snow, he said I needed to help gram with the children and clean the garage.  There was a lot more going on (there always is in my dreams) but that's the gist. 

What my dream teaches me

What my dream was trying to help me visualize was that narcissistic parent demands were like an endless mountain of snow to move. The fact that it disappeared shows their gaslighting lies about all tasks being my responsibility that didn't even exist. The dream shows that buried deep in my mind is the feeling of having to rescue my grandparents, siblings, etc. And that they were victims too. The broken rake shows that they didn't even give me the proper tools for the job. 

All of this did happen. As a child, I had hours of housework, cooking and childcare heaped on me. I couldn't get my homework done on time or had to stay up late to do it. I was made to mop the floor on my hands and knees. And my narcissistic parents were always angry with me, and absolutely exploited my grandparents.

Can narcissists change? Why that's the wrong question to ask

 Hello friends! Today on my path toward healing childhood trauma from narcissistic parent abuse, I'm responding to a video by YouTube psychologist and narcissism expert, Dr. Ramani. She's always spot-on but this particular conversation was particularly so. She addressed criticism she received for "failing to admit" that narcissists can change. Which as anyone who has lived with narcissistic abuse knows is a moot point. They don't and won't change. And even in the remote unlikelihood that they do, we're asking the wrong questions and focusing on the wrong end of things. 

Some Reasons narcissists won't and don't change 

• There is no incentive. It's working too well for them the way things are. 
• They are entrenched and comfortable. 
• Narcissism is self-fulfilling and its own reward. 
• Narcissists are remorseless. So they will not be sorry.
• Narcissists can't change because they're in too deep and it controls them. Tail wags dog. 
• They lie. (they will say they have when they haven't)
• Narcissists manipulate. (they will manipulate change)
• Narcissists are attention seeking. ("changing" will get attention)
• Narcissists seek narcissistic supply. And changing to a nicer person won't get that.
• Narcissists are arrogant. They don't think they need to change. 
• Narcissists suck up all the oxygen like a tornado. They fuel themselves. And they get to the point where they can't stop. 
  
  
  
  
  

And beyond these facts, we must factor in the cost of any change to the victim. 

What victims of narcissistic abuse should consider about any reformation

• It doesn't change the damage they've done.
• Any change will still be all about them. The fact that we're having this conversation proves it. 
• Any "change" will be conditional (so not change).
• They will still call the shots.(They will dictate how and what they change)
• There will be obligations placed on you. (reconciliation, forgiveness, keep trying, remain stuck)
• You'll still be expected to respond in scripted ways. 
• It will be performative (fake)
• It will be done for narcissistic supply because they are addicts and their whole lives have been about supply. 
• It may be leveraged by therapist or clergy to show off their "trophy client." 
• It will make things worse for you (now they're the "brave" survivor narcissist).
• They'll be praised and you'll still be shamed. (Look at all the "change"  he 's made. How can you still be angry?)
  
• It will become influencer currency. He will wear change like a badge of courage. 
• It will be fake, wolf in sheep's clothing. 
  
  
  

Things narcissists will say that prove their change is fake or agenda-based. 

You will notice in these things they say how they spin themselves as the good guy and you as the bad, as it always has been. I've included things to say or questions to ask in return. I favor asking a return question like Socrates did. 

Socratic Dialog Method

Definition: When confronted with undermining questions or accusations, answer questions with a question. Turn the microscope back on them.

• I need to tell you (whatever revelation they've had) They won't care how it makes you feel or if you even want to hear it. They just said the operative phrase: "I need to." It's about them, not you. (Well, I don't want or need to hear it).
• You need to listen to my side. ( That's all I've ever heard and that's the problem.)
• I don't care if you don't want to hear my side.  (And still you ask why I'm keeping you at arm's length?).
• You won't believe me. (You don't read my mind. You're just trying to put me on the defensive and I'm not going to allow you to. But for argument, if I didn't believe you, why is that?)
• You never take my part. (In what? In supporting your abuse of me? Hmm, no I don't.) 
• I'm ready to make peace. (Goody gumdrops for you. I'm not. I may be never be. Don't call us, we'll call you.)
• How can I make peace if you won't let me? (Why should I? How is making peace my responsibility? Explain to me how I am "preventing" you from "making peace." How do you define peace?)
• How can I prove to you that I've changed? (with actions not words)
• You said this is what you wanted. (did I? I don't recall it that way).
• You need to (fill in the blank) (Run, don't walk, away from this one. There is nothing I need to do in response to your abuse or your supposed change.)
• I've changed (yay me)  (So? Prove it. But don't expect me to wait around for you to do so.)
• You have to let me explain, listen to me, hear me out. (No I don't.)
• You owe me a chance to prove I've changed. (you lost me at  "you owe me." No I don't. I owe myself a better life.) 

It's time to focus on the victim, not the perpetrator

The narcissist has no power to dictate terms but they sure gaslight you into thinking they do. But when you start seeing the gaslighting for what it is, you realize a few things. Even if the narcissist, by some miracle, manages to not be a jerk for once. Even if they turn over a new leaf and start being their shiny new selves, and? Who cares? They'll have to find some other sucker to con. Because it won't be me. I've wasted enough of my life trying to fill their black hole selves. Now I'm living MY best new life free out of their clutches. 

• It's about me now, not them. 
• I've changed and moved out of their path of destruction.
• I owe them nothing. 

And I've started asking the correct questions. Instead of wasting time idly speculating whether they can change, here are more productive questions. 

To people who insist change is possible, ask  

• Why is it so important to prove that change is possible?
• What do you get  out of it?
• What are you trying to prove?
• Why are you shilling  for the narcissist? 
• Why do you care?
• Have you  or are you being hurt by narcissistic abuse?
• Where were you when I was being hurt by them?
• Why are you victim shaming and perpetrator supporting?
  

 Of the "reformed" narcissist I ask myself

• Why did it take them so long to "get it?" 
• What do they expect of me in return?
• How do I define the problem? 
• Why am I letting them minimize abuse into a disagreement between us?

Change roles for a clearer view

Imagine yourself as the narcissist and the narcissist as yourself, the victim. If I had been narcissistically abusing someone, and I finally woke up to that fact, I would be so ashamed. But I would also so humbled that I would not dare address them for fear of doing more harm. I would make it about them. I would ask and say

• What do you need? (space, a life away from me)
• Is there anything I can do to help you?
• You had no part in this. It was me and I'm sorry. 
• I want what's best for you. 
• I will prove I've changed and here's how. And then I would proceed to do just that. Every single hour of every day that I was lucky enough to still have them in my life. And if they left, I'd still actively change. 

But pigs will fly before the narcissist does that. He would have to stop being a narcissist to actually change—and by then, you’ll be far too busy enjoying your freedom to notice.